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Martyrdom II by tanya-n Martyrdom II by tanya-n
September 30, 2007
London

Muslims self-flagellating by beating their chests, to commemorate the 'martyrdom of Ali'.

See also - http://tanya-n.deviantart.com/art/Martyrdom-66188496

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seemo7 Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2011
i am muslim .. Islam is a great religion .. and this is a bad & wrong act..no one can understand it..
really muslims can not do like this acts .. Because it is a religion of peace[link]
just a few people do that .... this is the truth..
'I apologize because my English is a little weak'.
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hpblah Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2010
omg!! where in london does this happen?
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:iconronin06:
ronin06 Featured By Owner May 2, 2010
are you sure it wasn't just a waxing job that didn't work?
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ItsOnBaby88 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2008
some Shiite's do this, not all, i know Sunni's don't do it because its forbidden to harm yourself in anyway. but us Muslims need to respect every religion.

this is a great shot, and a painful one too.

great one!
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:iconitsonbaby88:
ItsOnBaby88 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2008
some Shiite's do this, not all, i know Sunni's don't do it because its forbidden to harm yourself in anyway. but us Muslims need to respect every religion.

this is a great shot, and a painful one too.

great one!
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:iconaribasultan:
aribasultan Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2008
Sad thing is I think I know that kid... lol
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:iconamien-ex:
Amien-ex Featured By Owner May 17, 2008
great pic, well taken

also on the comments,
1) i guess as long as someone does something that doesnt hurt others, on his own will, its pretty much their business...
2) they arent mourning just the martyrdom of ali, but the deaths in the battle of kerbala(includes imam hussein)
3) just like heavy metal, this is probably the last bastion of real men getting together and beating their chests... xD
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Reyna311 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2008
A very powerful photograph. nice work
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olysses Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2008
im muslim too and sunit (dont know if that is spelled same in english) and very religous indeed

I can definately say that sunits do not make any crazy f**ing stuff like that!
they transmitted an article on german tv some months ago and as long as i can remember these meetings are very common in Iran (not absolutely sure)!
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Shadowed-Midnight Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2008   Digital Artist
OUCH. How do they stand it? This is an awesome shot.
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:iconvillagekid:
villagekid Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2008  Student General Artist
fantastic shot. i love the look on the youn man's face.
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:iconmfs-inreality:
mfs-inreality Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2007   Interface Designer
im wondering where did the 18 comments vanished????!!! mmmmmm... :brushteeth:
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mfs-inreality Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2007   Interface Designer
4 u to know.. some time's people act like they dont know thing's to differ and distant them self from there original culture...which they feel ashame of, for some reason i dont understand... isnt that true ya ms.nagar?!
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mfs-inreality Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2007   Interface Designer
as u know there's a sect in Islam called shia'a.. they admit that they killed Ali thousands of years ago.. and they r whipping them self in specific day each year to purify them self.
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SoulOfGrim86 Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2008
That's NOT true! I am a Shia Muslim and that's not the reason we do what you think we do! Get your facts right, please!
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:iconjetmir:
jetmir Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2007   Photographer
this is forbidden in islam, they are deviants.
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:icon99thbone:
99thbone Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
catpure moments -- creating history -- later days
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:iconpoprage:
poprage Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007  Hobbyist
in London too ??
:) good shot girl
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:icontanya-n:
tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
Yep, in London. Did this happen in Palestine?
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Quiscalus777 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2008
"Yep, in London. Did this happen in Palestine?"
It happens where the Shi'a populations are largest, mostly Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran.
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:iconpoprage:
poprage Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007  Hobbyist
no it does not happen at all, because the majority here are Sunni muslims but there is a little bit of the Shi'a ppl. My friend once told me that he went to one of their gatherings & they do these kind of self punishment but in private.
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:icontanya-n:
tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2007
Ah.. yes, before posting these pictures I didn't realise only Shia Muslims did this. Now I'm curious as to how many Shia Muslims are in the UK..
I've never really thought about the two groups individually before - it's funny how there can be so many branches of one religion.
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poprage Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2007  Hobbyist
indeed, same here about their large numbers.
& yes there are many sectors in each reliegon even in Islam
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interesting. he's in pretty good shape, too. i wonder what the workout schedule was in the few weeks before the public, shirtless, self-flagellation.
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sometimeboy Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2007
self-flagellation... reaching higher realms of spirituality through pain... rubbish! Was Ali whipped? i didn't know that... but still causing yourself to feel pain is silly. You caught a great expression on that young man's face here, Tanya... he kinda looks lost...
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tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
I don't know if he was whipped - but the idea of self-flaggelation in this case is to express sorrow. Personally I think it's a bit of an extreme way to do that!
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sometimeboy Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
i agree. you know, i really feel the need to say this... what you're doing is important!) i can't think of many others who are using their camera as you are! my dad was a navy photographer and when i was young he told me that photography was more than a tool... it was a voice, a point of view, a weapon even! i think you are something else:) i don't know if you hear that kinda thing alot, but your growth in this field stuns me. i may not comment on everything, but i could. you went from this women who took arty pics of her guitar to this social eye... it awesome! keep it up! i'm proud to know you... i know how that sounds but it's true:nod: when i see you shots i know what i think, but i'm always curious on what your opinion might be.... ok i'll stop now! bye tanya!
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tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
Aw wow that means so much :faint: Seriously..

And no I don't get told stuff like that a lot, so it's much appreciated :aww: especially coming from someone who's watched me from pretty much the start. I guess it's people like you who have really seen my work and tastes develop..I'd almost forgotten those arty guitar pics :) and it's weird - I don't really have any motivation to do stuff like that now.

Your dad is right, and I'm glad you recognise what I do, because that stuff about being a social eye is exactly why I do this, so at least I know it's working :)

Thank you again! That's probably the nicest comment I've ever had.

:cuddle:
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diver Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2007
That guy with the necklace, isn't even bleeding. What a wuss! J.K.

Interesting, I wish I could see more facial expressions ni this one.
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panicingchemically Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2008
they continously beat themselves, until blood runs down their faces, i've seen it. great shot! i like the quizzical look on that young mans face.
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:icontanya-n:
tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
:lol:

Thanks for your comment.
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littletonbo Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Shia Muslims.
Sunni Muslims (the majority of Muslims) don't do this.
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kavsikuzah Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
some shia muslims all shia muslims don't do this
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dElicAte-SouL92 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2010
Well obviously there are some shia muslims that do this hence this picture ...they are just showing there love for there Imam ...open your eyes people
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HsnBukhari Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2010
There are many other ways to show the LOVE. I really respect all thoughts, ideas and beliefs but we must increase our knowledge about Islamic History, Islamic Teachings.

We must not follow what our elders or mullas order us.
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dElicAte-SouL92 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010
I'm not saying this is right I'm only stating the fact that its thier lives ...If its wrong leave it for God to take care of it ..you sitting here saying this is wrong and thats wrong doesnt make you any better .....God will take care of it..and only God can judge !!!
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:iconhsnbukhari:
HsnBukhari Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2010
Yes you are right . . . . . . .
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:icondelicate-soul92:
dElicAte-SouL92 Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2010
Thank You :hug:
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:iconhsnbukhari:
HsnBukhari Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2010
Your Most Welcome ^_^
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:icontanya-n:
tanya-n Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2007
Ah, I see. Yeah, I didn't think the majority would believe in this kind of stuff..
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